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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0001870 | FSSCP | gameplay | public | 2009-01-14 20:44 | 2012-01-09 18:07 |
| Reporter | ARSPR | Assigned To | Goober5000 | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | major | Reproducibility | sometimes |
| Status | resolved | Resolution | no change required | ||
| Platform | DELL Dimension 9200 | OS | Windows Vista | OS Version | Ultimate 32-bit |
| Summary | 0001870: Sometimes, hits-left is not evalued before the ship is destroyed. | ||||
| Description | I think there's some kind of issue with this SEXP. Warzone 6th mission. (I upload it). (Although I haven't tried, you should be able to use it with retail data, because Warzone only has one -shp.tbm used to add GTE Vidar which is not used in this mission). SC Guari (a SC Raksasha), has the following arrival cue: < -hits-left --Comm Node -12 After both initial SC Cains are destroyed, the Shivan Comm-Node gets heavily bombarded and beamed by allied forces. Then, approximately in about 25% of the mission runs, this SEXP is not evaluated before the Shivan Comm is destroyed and the SC Guari never arrives, breaking the mission. | ||||
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2009-01-14 20:44
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Try the next nightly, the sexp was bailing if the ship was destroyed. I just had it return 0. |
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I wonder why it was originally decided that you can't evaluate it when the ship has been destroyed. Seems like it should have been an obvious 0 all along if that works. |
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No idea, but it may also be an oversight on the mission designer - or - is-destroyed-delay - 0 - Comm Node - < - hits-left - Comm Node - 12 |
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Ok, I'll test it ASAP OTOH, hits-left-subsystem is also buggy. It also doesn't return 0 for destroyed ships. (I upload a test mission where you can bomb or laser to death two Cains. hits-left test is enabled for both at < 5%. Also "Bomb me" engine is tested at < 80% (this test training message is delayed 5 seconds)). Nevertheless, although I really think that this is a TRUE bug because a destroyed ship does have 0 hits left in both its hull and its subsystems, maybe this fix can break old missions which were made without thinking about it. SCP crew should discuss about it... A possible example. You have to weaken Comm below 20 while keeping your targe alive. Now there's no need for an additional check about if the ship has been destroyed or not. A destroyed ship wouldn't trigger the hits-left-subsystem (Comm) < 20 check. Maybe, although both SEXPs are buggy in strict sense, the best thing to do is leaving them untouched. I would just add a warning in their FRED help text, telling the FREDer that they are not evaluated for destroyed ships. (A good FREDer could always fix his missions with phreak's coding). EDITED ----- As expected, 5039 makes hits-left=0 for destroyed ships. But as told above, really wanted? |
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2009-01-15 15:27
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That's an interesting question. |
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Okay. Well, first we have coding precedent across nearly every sexp in the code (both retail and FSO) that deal with ships. And that precedent is to return NAN_FOREVER if the ship is destroyed or departed. This applies to shields-left, hits-left-subsystem, is-ship-visible, and many other sexps. It may trigger a double take in certain situations (such as hits-left when a ship is destroyed, as mentioned here) but it is well-defined and it's consistent. So I'm declaring this as a mission bug and not a code bug. I'm reverting the "fix" and marking this ticket as "no change required". |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2009-01-14 20:44 | ARSPR | New Issue | |
| 2009-01-14 20:44 | ARSPR | File Added: WarzoneE1M6.fs2 | |
| 2009-01-15 01:06 | phreak | Note Added: 0010527 | |
| 2009-01-15 01:07 | phreak | Status | new => assigned |
| 2009-01-15 01:07 | phreak | Assigned To | => phreak |
| 2009-01-15 03:37 | chief1983 | Note Added: 0010528 | |
| 2009-01-15 03:37 | chief1983 | Status | assigned => feedback |
| 2009-01-15 04:08 | phreak | Note Added: 0010530 | |
| 2009-01-15 04:08 | phreak | Status | feedback => assigned |
| 2009-01-15 15:25 | ARSPR | Note Added: 0010533 | |
| 2009-01-15 15:27 | ARSPR | Note Edited: 0010533 | |
| 2009-01-15 15:27 | ARSPR | File Added: Hits_left_test.fs2 | |
| 2009-01-15 15:45 | ARSPR | Note Edited: 0010533 | |
| 2009-01-15 15:51 | ARSPR | Note Edited: 0010533 | |
| 2009-01-15 16:03 | chief1983 | Note Edited: 0010528 | |
| 2009-01-15 18:00 | ARSPR | Note Edited: 0010533 | |
| 2009-01-18 00:35 | Goober5000 | Note Added: 0010539 | |
| 2009-01-18 03:57 | Goober5000 | Note Added: 0010540 | |
| 2009-01-18 03:57 | Goober5000 | Assigned To | phreak => Goober5000 |
| 2009-01-18 03:57 | Goober5000 | Status | assigned => resolved |
| 2009-01-18 03:57 | Goober5000 | Resolution | open => no change required |
| 2012-01-05 22:55 | Goober5000 | Changeset attached | => Import 2012-01-05 17:52:05 trunk r5041 |
| 2012-01-09 18:07 | Goober5000 | Changeset attached | => fs2open_websvn trunk r5041 |
